Unglossy: Decoding Brand in Culture
Welcome to "Unglossy: Decoding Brand in Culture," where we delve into the essence of branding beyond the surface sheen. A brand is more than just a logo or a slogan; it's a reflection of identity, values, and reputation that resonates within our cultural landscape. Enjoy as we peel back the layers to uncover the raw, authentic stories behind the people and products that shape our world.
This isn't your average corporate podcast. Join Tom Frank, partner and chief creative officer at Merrick Creative, Mickey Factz, Hip Hop Artist and Founder and CEO of Pendulum Ink, and Jeffrey Sledge, a seasoned music industry veteran, for "Unglossy" as they get to the heart of what truly drives individual and organizational brand . In a world where where image is carefully curated and narratives meticulously crafted, we're here to explore the moments of vulnerability, pivotal decisions, and creative sparks that fuel the relationship between brand and culture.
Get ready for a thought-provoking journey into the heart and soul of branding – the unscripted, unfiltered, and truly Unglossy truth. Tune in to "Unglossy: Decoding Brand in Culture" on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube or wherever you catch your podcasts. Follow us on Instagram @UnglossyPod and join the conversation.
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Unglossy: Decoding Brand in Culture
Eric and Jeff Rosenthal: Part 2 – Building Relationships and Embracing Chaos
Ever wondered how a simple apartment podcast evolved into a cultural phenomenon? Join us for Part 2 of our amazing conversation with Eric and Jeff Rosenthal, as they take us through the extraordinary journey from creating comedic sketches to becoming recognized voices in the podcasting world. They open up about the magic that happens when genuine relationships and authenticity become the foundation of your work, sharing unforgettable moments from their podcast, 'A Waste of Time with ItsTheReal," and guests like Kevin Gates, Jim Jones, and Swizz Beatz, whose warmth and spontaneity turned simple recordings into lasting memories.
Listen to Jeffrey recount Andre 3000 telling his story of Pimp C on The Shop and the importance of staying true to the culture we love. You'll hear about the New York City escapades, building meaningful connections with industry heavyweights, and the ways in which a podcast has inspired others to chase their dreams.
From Kodak Black's antics to the Migos' unique demands, and even a dream of playing Connect Four with Stevie Wonder, we explore the blend of creativity, persistence, and fun that keeps this dynamic duo going. This is not just a recounting of past podcast episodes but a heartfelt appreciation of the support system and relationships that has fueled their success. Tune in for laughter, inspiration, and a genuine look at what it takes to build something meaningful in the world of content.
"Unglossy: Decoding Brand in Culture," is produced and distributed by Merrick Creative and hosted by Merrick Chief Creative Officer, Tom Frank, hip hop artist and founder of Pendulum Ink, Mickey Factz, and music industry veteran, Jeffrey Sledge. Tune in to hear this thought-provoking discussion on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you catch your podcasts. Follow us on Instagram @UnglossyPod to join the conversation and support the show at https://unglossypod.buzzsprout.com/.
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previously on on glossy. I just want to say, if people are listening and they're like, wait, how did the guys do sketches and then end up in this place where they're taken seriously as like documentarians it is? It is this thing where it's like, look, we have the tools, we're just using them in a different way because we're the same guys. We've always been. It's the real. We've always been like openly, like these funny guys who are good storytellers, whether in our, our sketches, our music, our uh like absurdist interviews with people like stevie wonder or, uh, the television show that we wrote. That was not made, unfortunately, but all these things. The same thing that that ties all these things together is that we're talented storytellers From the top.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm Tom.
Speaker 3:Frank.
Speaker 2:I'm Mickey Fax.
Speaker 4:And I'm Jeffrey Sledge.
Speaker 2:Welcome to Unglossy, to Coney Brand and Culture. I'm Tom Frank, partner and chief creative officer at Merit Creative. This is Mickey Fax, hip-hop artist and founder and CEO of Pendulum Inc. And that is Jeffrey Sledge, a seasoned music industry veteran who has worked with some of the biggest artists in the business. We're here to explore the moments of vulnerability, pivotal decisions and creative sparks that fuel the relationship between brand and culture.
Speaker 4:Get ready for a thought-provoking journey into the heart and soul of branding the unscripted, unfiltered and truly unglossy truth. Yeah, I want to go back to the podcast a little bit, because you said you guys did it five years and it really grew to like this phenomenon, for lack of a better term. It was like everybody was on it, people watched it every week and what was really interesting is that the podcasts were fairly long. It wasn't like they weren't 30 minutes, they were like an hour and a half, maybe two hours or something like that. So, like you know, but people would lock in to the whole shows, you know, and really listen.
Speaker 4:I remember, after my episode being on the train and stuff, the kids coming up to me. They're like yo, yo, yo, I saw you on the show and I'm like, oh shit, even I maybe didn't respect how far reaching it was. You know, I knew obviously it was a big podcast pause, but I didn't respect that. Like I said, I would be in the store and some kid would be like yo, sledge, right, I'm like, what's up, man, I saw you on the podcast. It was really a thing, and I did two episodes. I did my interview and then we did a year-end wrap-up, which I'm so mad we didn't do more. We did wrap-up with me and Scottie Beam and I think Combat Jack was there wrap up with me and Scotty.
Speaker 4:Beam and I think Combat Jack was there and I think Jason Rodriguez maybe yeah.
Speaker 3:And Naomi Zeichner and Rembert.
Speaker 4:Naomi yes, naomi, she was so cool and we just talked about the end of the year and all the records that had come out during the year and what was the best album, what was the best, and that even got deep. I remember it was just like you know we were really debating album what was the best, and you know that even got deep, like I remember, just like you know it wasn't, you know, we really debating about what was what. I mean, it was just a great um, and I think the fact that you guys did it in your apartment instead of a studio actually worked to the benefit because it was really comfortable, because it was somebody's crib, you know, you ain't. I mean you could be comfortable in the studio too, but, like you said, being in those around the kitchen table which is all in politics now but literally being at the kitchen table talking about whatever you're talking about, you know, with the refrigerator right there, I remember when I was in, your brother came in Like he came home from work.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, yeah, so like it was like really comfortable it was. It was, uh, I mean I'm going to let you guys talk about it, but please talk about it more.
Speaker 1:What's wild is it was it was originally conceived as something that, like, we could do easily, right, like we got the shortest commute, we just got to walk right to our kitchen, right, but it it, it did work, absolutely to our benefit, like you said, because people would just be comfortable. If you walk into our apartment now, you see the pictures on the wall, you see all the books, you know exactly who we are. If you know us, you're comfortable to begin with. If you don't, like kevin gates came by, we were so nervous, right, we were just like we've seen what he did, like on the breakfast club, like we've seen too many interviews go like left, left, and we just didn't know what to expect.
Speaker 1:And he walked in and he gave the biggest hug. He's like I love your energy, right. So we're like off the bat, off the bat, but you know. But if you're someone like jimmy jones who knows us, right, he's not gonna leave for like eight hours. He just sits on the couch and like that's it, right, he wants to hang before, he wants to hang during and he wants to hang after and so like it's sort of it's very nice, it does derail your day, like there was a.
Speaker 3:There was a time when, um and again we're now talking about like a waste of time where it was just like swizz beats showed up at. I want to say like one yeah, in the morning, and then, uh, around like 3 am, he was like hey, like what do you like with? The podcast is done, like what do you guys want to do next? And we were like I mean, like I'm going to go to sleep. And he was like no, no, come to the studio. And so he went to the studio with Swizz.
Speaker 1:Beatz yeah, but it's a crazy scenario where it's like because you're at home, where it's like because you're at home, and I think I think, too, not to pat ourselves on the back, but one of our talents is we listen, and I think that's something that's so important to podcasting that most people don't do. You know, we're, we're so there when you're in the room just in the moment, right? So, and I think that we care about things that maybe, like other people might gloss over. So, like Jeff is on the podcast, we're like yo, like what's it like to grow up in White Plains, right, and like and, and then you go from there and you're so, in the moment, it's just like we're going to go through this whole arc. We're going to hear directly from this person. Like we're at the kitchen table, we're listening, we're actively a part of this conversation. You're going to get a result that's like deeper and more meaningful than maybe like just the sort of like yo, here's what happened in the news this week. So we offered something different, right, and a lot of people now come up to us and are just like yo, what you guys were podcasting like that early, and we're like oh, we podcasted back in 09, right, like, we were like podcasting, like, since we were, we were honestly like, on the very early end, we're not the first ones shout out to cypher sounds and peter rosenberg, um, you know, obviously, uh, it's.
Speaker 1:It's well documented the conversation that we had with with reggie, with Jack, we were the first ones to introduce him to the idea of a podcast. He came to our apartment with donuts and was like you, you guys must have made so much bank off of this and we're like, oh no, we're not. And I think that's something, too, where it's like people can see that we're two feet down in this thing, that we care about this thing. I think a lot of the guests that we had, whether it was Jeff or whether it was Sycamore or whether it was Marcia St Hubert, people that maybe you know, maybe you don't know, but afterwards are so you know, like, wow, there's a dedication to this thing of ours. Right, we love, we love the people in front of the camera, but boy do we love the people who don't get the shine right and I, you know, we put everybody on the same uh level.
Speaker 3:So, like you know, when we would promote like yo, we did like 300 episodes or whatever. We make a big collage and it was the same. You know it was. It was people behind the camera but also people in front of the camera who are just like mixed mom on Right and but, like, but, like.
Speaker 1:Her story is right there next to you know Rick Ross or Lizzo, or you know Swiss, or whoever it was, and that's very, very meaningful and I think that, jeff, you know you're getting recognized off of that. There are people who came up to us and, whether it was you know, uh, uh, sycamore or dallas martin or brocky marciano or like, they were like yo, like, or like eb hamad or whoever it is, they were like yo. This has allowed me to work in the industry, to understand how, how to get in. Like there's a place for me and there's a job that I never knew existed. And I'm going to like we know actual successful A&Rs at major record companies who have broken legendary artists who got to start from just being like you know what I'm going to press play on this episode of a waste time, but it's the real and that's the path that I'm gonna go after and that, to us, as guys who, like we moved down to new york city in 07, we were doing these sketches.
Speaker 1:We did not have regular nine-to-fives right, we were dedicated to this thing and we would spend all of our time hanging out at record labels right, we would sneak in. We got no security, like they would just send us through. We would walk around and we would sit down with people like Sam Crespo. We would sit down, who's a major radio guy, but, like you know, maybe no one's going to like give him his flowers until we did Right. Or we're going to hang out with Chris Atlas, or we're going to you know, Ashley Kamenowitz, nordea West.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like different people who, like, were just around, you get to know them. You show your face, maybe when they're like you know what? I want to promote my artist and their new project. I'm going to come to you guys. Los Ogundo, you're top of mind. Yeah, you know June Cardona, like all these people that like, you know we, we got to be very close with those relationships and that's the key. Like if people are like oh, how did these? You know two white Jewish guys from 30 minutes outside New York city. How did they end up at the center of this thing? It's relationships.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we showed up, Jeff can speak exactly to that. Like we care we, we never left you yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4:By the way, did you see my uh andre, my pimpsy andre 3000 story? Andre told that story on the shop yeah, I saw that, I saw that I I had no idea. He even knew that story. I was watching it like wait, he knows what happened. I was stunned. He told the story like verbatim. I was like did he get that from hearing it's?
Speaker 4:the real one, because he somebody tell him Because he literally told it verbatim to what I thought. I mean because it's a true story. But I was just shocked that he I didn't think he knew. It's so funny, it's such a good story.
Speaker 1:But like again, you know, jeff told that story not off of any like, but not off any clickbait.
Speaker 4:It was just we were having a story among friends, but not off any clickbait. It was just we were having. We were having a story among friends, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're just kicking it, yeah, but but it is.
Speaker 3:It is funny how often that one clip goes crazy viral yeah, but that's the same thing with like uh, our, we interviewed, uh travis scott his first interview, that that thing goes around every couple months yeah um and I wish that people would tag us more.
Speaker 4:Oh wait, piece I don't know if I said it, but piece of scotty beam. She was in the reviews too. I don't want to forget her name because, no, no, totally you know what.
Speaker 1:Yeah you know what's nice is that like again and, jeff, I know you know this, like we, we know all your relationships, we know what you meant. Uh, to new york city and hip-hop. You know, for a long, long period, across lots of different eras, but for us, coming up during the blog era, that we're close to all these people, that we got to see the rise of people like Scottie Beam, that we got to see the rise of people like Miss Info, that we got to like, see the rise and like we're all coming up at this andrew barber from fake shore drive, like to see how people move and to see how people, um, you know, truly like, were authentic in their voices and never strayed from this thing. There's a lot of people who use hip-hop to go to different places, like, a lot of people come on, but the, the, the people who like, stay in this thing, who love it, who have the right reasons. There's nothing better for us than that. Yeah.
Speaker 4:And it is all about relationships.
Speaker 2:We had Chris Atlas on our last episode and if there's one thing you took away from that, it was relationship, relationship, relationship, and that is what he just kept saying and I know, jeffrey, he's made a career out of those relationships yeah, yeah, yeah, it matters and it's good to see you guys.
Speaker 4:Like you said, andrew, andrew, just recently something big Did you just get a job or something?
Speaker 1:Well, Andrew's doing a lot of things, but it is always like, look, if you were to tell, like young Jeff and young Eric, that we would be best friends with the Lox and we would play a part in their tiny desk and we would have like that in, you know, as a, you know, a grown up young Andrew Barber would have had his mind blown Right. But, like but, these things are possible because you put in the work. Like young Jeff Sledge may not have, like, ever imagined that he would, you know, be the guy connecting the dots between artists who make songs that span the world, that matter, that are legendary. But it's all about putting in the work, keeping those relationships and staying true, and that's just what it is.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and it makes me feel good to see that happen. That's what I was going to say about Andrew. I saw that and I was like, oh shit. And Andrew's a good dude too. He says it's good to see all these things manifest from people just kind of staying true to it and who love it for real and not just using it to get the next lick or whatever. Yeah, yeah, you guys as well. Thank you, you guys as well. Yeah, can we tell the story about how we ran into each other in White Plains? Was it the day DMX died?
Speaker 1:Yeah, they died right. Well, it might have been the.
Speaker 3:I think it was the memorial service.
Speaker 1:No, no, no. Memorial service. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, because we ran into each other in because we were going to go to the. We're going to go to the hospital, right, but I think, yes, oh right, I think he was. I think he was still alive, but we did that's. That is crazy. Because that was crazy. We, we ran into jeff. And what's crazy is you might have been the first person that we played the trailer for the blog era yes, in the car and in the car.
Speaker 1:Yep, yeah, but like it's something crazy because, again, you work on this project quietly, you know, you sort of like don't want to spoil this for anybody. You speak to so many people about it, you put your heart into this thing and then we built something. I don't even think, jeff, that we put out, um, like any feelers for, uh, for business opportunities either. At that point. That was just like that. That trailer was eventually for you know, the Pharrell's to hear, right, so you were, like, honestly, one of the first people who even heard what we were like the scope of the idea.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and that was probably like well, like eight months in or something, not six months or something.
Speaker 1:It was early like what like eight months in or something, maybe like six months or something. It was early, probably a little later, but yeah, but uh, yeah, that was a very meaningful time uh to do that.
Speaker 4:But also like I was going to the doctor, I was coming from the doctor and you and you guys were in white plains for the thing and we met.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's exactly right, oh you're here, yeah, but but what was? What was amazing was, uh, you know, we've run into jeff, uh, all around the city. Uh, we saw jeff. We saw jeff down in atlanta, uh, not too long ago. This is something that that continues on.
Speaker 3:That that really matters uh, it was like uh, I just looked it up it was like six to eight months in got it yeah wow, wow, early on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, before we leave the podcast, though, you had to have some crazy interviews too, though, Any that you want to share. That did go off the rails. I mean you had to have some.
Speaker 1:Yes, oh, there was a big writer who came over and oh wait, I thought we were talking about Blog Air?
Speaker 3:No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Wow, oh, we were talking. I thought we were talking about blog error no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:Wow, either one, but the podcast too. You have people in your house. Yeah, some of those had to go crazy, correct, yes, so uh, there was a writer who came over.
Speaker 1:Uh, jeff, jeff, uh, I think is is uh probably nicer about the situation than maybe I am, but he definitely threatened to punch me. Um, that interview never came out. Yeah, it was like you're in my home and you're you're really talking, like it was weird. Um, yeah, there was, there was that. Uh, kodak black came over. Um, kodak had uh a half dozen security guys who would be like inside our apartment, outside the door, downstairs at the lobby door, like, and then afterwards he disappeared. He disappeared like we took pictures, then he disappeared.
Speaker 3:His car was still there, security was still but everybody was looking for him and where was he? He was behind the church, like down an alley, and he was peeing outside. And we're like, we're like, we're like we got like our apartment has.
Speaker 1:We have two bathrooms in our apartment and there's one in the lobby, and he was just like he's more comfortable that way.
Speaker 1:It was like, okay, sure yeah, but they were like uh, yeah, um, the the amount of people who, uh would show up not on time is incredible. Um, so we started that podcast, uh, making food for people, which was a gimm gimmick. That was a terrible idea, especially because no one wants to hear anyone eating on the microphone. This is before, like ASMR and all that. No one wants to eat cold food. When the Migos came over, they sat there and stared at the food that we like went out and bought for them, cause we were going to make something different.
Speaker 3:And then they were like they had a rider they had they had a rider, but like, this is maybe like 10 minutes before they showed up, and so they asked for a whole litany of things that we did not have.
Speaker 1:So we ran across the street to a barbecue place. We bought the stuff that they asked for, put it, laid it out like, got all of our like and we're so proud of ourselves.
Speaker 3:We were like, wow, we like really pulled this thing together, and they were just like not crispy enough, and then it just sat there and we felt like dumb, yeah, um so.
Speaker 1:But like you know, I thankfully about not crispy, yeah, yeah thankfully, thankfully about 20 episodes in. We were like you know what let's no longer gonna come. Yeah, food was gone yeah grab the food.
Speaker 4:Yeah, sorry bye, sorry bye. Two bathrooms in your apartment in new york city is crazy it crazy yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so, so, uh, so that that was that.
Speaker 1:Um, I think that, like there's probably a a ton of uh people who again would stay late, there was a, a guy named jason rembert who is a big stylist. Um, worked with everyone from like odell, beckham, to lizzo to cardi, like just a legendary guy, really nice guy, uh. We caught him, uh, as he was on his way to la for some award show. It was a middle of the earth, it some award show, it was a middle of the or it was supposed to be.
Speaker 3:It was supposed to be the following day, yeah, and then he was like I my my schedule changed and I do it tonight he had to do it.
Speaker 1:That night I had just Jeff was out of the house. I was all by myself. I burnt a pork chop right in the oven, like like, caught on fire, burnt, like this does not normally happen right, sprayed it with, sprayed it with the with the fire extinguisher, like I was sitting there. This is very sad, but I was sitting there. The only thing that like worked was like I was making couscous on the range, right, so I I put down a trivet, I put down the pot and I'm eating out of the pot. It was very sad, right.
Speaker 1:So the whole whole place is smoky. I got all the windows open and it's below freezing, right, and jeff calls me and he was like yo, jason's coming over right now. I was like, tell him the apartment's on fire, like what are you talking about? And he still he was like no, I want to do it. So he sat there in the smoky, cold and like you know, uh, miserable situation. It was like it would smell like a tailgate right in our apartment and we're sitting there, and he never wanted to leave because, like I gotta catch an early flight. Would you guys mind if I stayed? We're like just hang out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but, yeah but it's also like two o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 2:We're both like tired having eaten and possibly asphyxiating ourselves yeah, and so um you were in his hotel room because he didn't want to get a hotel room for his flight.
Speaker 1:But we were like yo, like I know you don't want to go home and wake your kid up, but like can you go? Like to the office or something. He was like no, all right, I'm fine yeah, but it was.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was like three or four in the morning yeah, so anyway, um that happened yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 4:That's funny, by the way and just and just.
Speaker 1:To be honest, we did five years of episodes. We had a lot of fun, but if like like to invite all these people over to your home to always, like you know, have a clean bathroom, always.
Speaker 3:One last thing that was weird about doing the podcast wait okay, one more question before I'm not to cut you off.
Speaker 4:Did anybody ever blow up the bathroom?
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:But the story I was going to tell was that there was a girl who came over, who used the bathroom and then turned the toilet paper around, like cheek in her head.
Speaker 1:No, but like no, it's not an ah, it's like this is insane. Who goes over to someone's apartment and is like I'm so uncomfortable with the roll going over? I gotta like this is insane. Who goes over to someone's apartment and is like I'm so uncomfortable with the role going over?
Speaker 2:I got to like I got to switch it, flip it around, yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean, maybe it was like a Feng Shui thing, but it's not like it fell off or something.
Speaker 4:This is like she made a concerted effort to flip it around To lift it and flip it, flip it around.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what Like that's.
Speaker 3:No, I don't know. I could see a world. I can't.
Speaker 1:Maybe not, I don't know. We have separate apartments. You can do your podcast however you want. Whichever way, you want the toilet paper to go Flip over right, that's right, that's funny, that's funny.
Speaker 2:Man, I feel like we could be talking to you for days here if we wanted to. Maybe we'll do this until 3 am, but as we get closer to an end here, I do want to ask like I mean looking back what advice? I mean there's so many people that are now doing what you've done Like what advice do you give these young creators that are out there right now that you would love to have someone have told you?
Speaker 1:Totally Well. If someone told me this, it would have. I would have been on the same page, and so my advice is don't stop. I think the easiest thing to do is to announce you're going to do something, put out one episode and then like, if you don't get the views or the, the listens is to call it, and it's like, really, if you keep up with something, you do things with consistency and quality, you're going to be fine. Like the audience will find you, I, you know we're we're absolutely the best sort of example of doing something, staying with it, not giving up. Like you could have all the things go against you. You don't have the money, you don't have the audience, you don't have the access. Again, we were nobodies. We came from way outside the center of the circle. We just stuck with something. We did something different. We didn't outstay our welcome.
Speaker 3:It's also that we brought something different. I think that so often people see something that's successful and try and emulate that, and I think that my advice would be do something that does not feel like everything else.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's already a there's already a Nori, there's already a Joe button, there's already a shop right.
Speaker 3:Like, but there's already a like now, thousands of other things, and so it's like by the way, podcasting is just a medium. You don't have to do a podcast, you can do something else, um, and so I think that people have a very limited idea of what they can do or what they should do, you know. And I think that, um, people uh should think outside the box and not be uh, not not force themselves into what people have already built.
Speaker 1:Yes, and and lastly, you know we are, we are guys who. We have a voice. Um, we've sold out venues, but you could put our name on the marquee and people, we could do whatever on that stage and people would be like you know what? I don't know what they're going to do that night, but I know it's going to be a lot of fun. I know it's going to be extremely interesting and I know it's going to be very unique.
Speaker 3:Well, which is to say again, I have experience as a magician's assistant, so that stage show is going to be amazing.
Speaker 2:I would have loved to see one of those shows oh my God, that is great advice, and I'm going to end with this because we always do. You can work with any brand, any musician, anyone to do anything with, whether it's an interview, whether it's a sketch, whether it's whatever like what? What's the dream? What's the one thing that you haven't done yet, and I'm sure that it's going to continually evolve? But what's the one thing that you haven't done yet and I'm sure it's going to continually evolve.
Speaker 3:But what's that thing on your mind now? You'd love to have the chance to do it.
Speaker 2:Play connect four with stevie wonder that was a perfect answer.
Speaker 4:Perfect answer. What were you gonna say?
Speaker 2:all right, yeah, that's good, we're gonna stick to stick with that, yeah yeah, that's really good, jeffrey, anything else?
Speaker 4:Nah, because it'll turn into another half hour. But you know I love these guys. They're my guys. We've had so many Besides the blog and all that. We've just had so many personal experiences and running, like Eric said, running to each other on the street in New York and just you know, walking and talking and just like you know, just kicking it. And you know I love these guys and you know I still send them things on Instagram and Twitter from time to time about Westchester. You know, the best pizza and all that stuff. These are my friends. I love them. I love them and I support everything they do.
Speaker 1:No, and and and again. Relationships are everything. No, and and and again. Relationships are everything. Uh, our, our friendship with jeff is so meaningful to us. Um, it is something that, uh, again, you know, we love the people in front of the cameras, those people behind the cameras, are everything to us. There's a reason that that the artists that you know and love are successful, and it's not just one person, right and so to give people their flowers, to know that there's people who actively want to be a part of this thing, is important to know, and I think that's why voices like Jeff's matter. I think it's exciting for us to help tell those stories and to be here 17 years into this thing, to be to be on your guys' platform and, you know, ask these questions that we really, really appreciate is amazing. So thank you for that and and shout out to you guys for, you know, doing the work for for bigging people up, that that deserve it and we're just grateful for the opportunity.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Well uh, for bigging people up that. That deserve it, and we're just grateful for the opportunity. Yeah Well, people, you got to watch the blog era. If you haven't, if you haven't listened to it, you have to do it, you have to do it. It's so worth every minute of time.
Speaker 2:I love that I got to meet you guys. I love that I got to talk to you again. I hope we stay in touch because I can't wait to see what you're doing next, and I would be one of those guys. Just put your name up there. I'm coming because I just want to see what it is and hopefully it's a magic show one day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you. Alec Kazam, that's right, there you go. Thank you guys sincerely.
Speaker 2:Thank you guys. Thank you, cool, thank you. Thank you All show. Tune in to Unglossy, the coding brand and culture, on Apple Podcasts, spotify or YouTube and follow us on Instagram, at unglossypod, to join the conversation. Until next time, I'm Tom Frank.
Speaker 4:I'm Jeffrey Sledge.
Speaker 2:Smicky, that was good.
