Unglossy with Bun B
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Unglossy with Bun B
Unglossy x Comic Culture: Multiverse
A stretch limo, three kids on bikes, and Pete Rock’s block—by the time the crew steps out, half the neighborhood’s there. That’s the energy of this Unglossy crossover: Tat Wza, Mickey Factz, Pete Rock, Bun B, Jeffrey Sledge, and Tom Frank colliding over comics, hip-hop, and the MCU with zero small talk.
They go from childhood comics and bodega mystery packs to hot takes on Feige, Hulk’s nerfing, and whether Endgame was therapy or just fan service. Expect wild casting debates (yes, Doom gets his own mood board), sharp arguments, and a cliffhanger: Bun B’s secret Marvel cameo.
Big stories. Bigger opinions. No filters.
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Last week on Unglossy. Podcasts are starting to matter. Like people are paying attention, right? This is a new form. It's not a new form. It's an old form of entertainment, but it's one that I think is becoming more and more relevant every single day.
SPEAKER_03:We're the new cable. We're the new cable. You know what I'm saying? I would say this show is probably maybe TBS.
SPEAKER_02:I'll take that. Yeah. I'll take TBS. I'll take TBS. You know what I'm saying? We got a lot of, we got a lot of people.
SPEAKER_03:From the top.
SPEAKER_00:I'm Tom Frank.
SPEAKER_03:I'm Jeffrey Slicks. And I'm Bud V. Welcome to Unglossy.
SPEAKER_00:Real stories, unfiltered dialogue, and the voices moving culture beyond the gloss of height and headlines.
SPEAKER_02:So buckle up, Unglossy starts now.
SPEAKER_00:We got a big show today, Unglossy Fans. The kind of episode that should probably come with a seatbelt and a liability waiver. It's so big we couldn't even pretend to start with a normal intro. Nope. We're diving straight into chaos. Courtesy of one man, Jeffrey Sledge. Buckle up, grab your popcorn, and maybe text your therapist. This one starts wild and never really calms down.
SPEAKER_02:So a few months later, Will Smith. He's like, I want to work with Pete Rock. I call PL say Pete. Please. Please be home, bro. I was home for well. I was home. So we set it up, we come up, we get to Peace Block. In a big back then it was limousines. You know, this big stretch limousine comes up. And we get out the car, and he's, I'm not still not forget, it was these three kids from Pete's Block. They're on their bike. So it was summertime, the school's out. And they get out and they see the fresh prince. And you know, the eyes get bigger saucers, and they like, oh my God. You know, Will's job, you always join you. He's like, hey, how y'all doing? And so we go into Pete's house. Pete, you're not home. But your family, your whole family was there.
SPEAKER_03:Wow.
SPEAKER_02:Your mom, your aunt, people from the neighborhood, they were all in the house. It's like, oh, we were just cooking the food. Oh, hey, we didn't know in, you know, and he's jovial and stuff, and we're talking, and everybody's known. Happy to see Will and they, you know, asking for autographs and his kids. It was a good time, it was a great time. And Pete comes like maybe 10 minutes later, and he kind of like does this junk. He's like, I'm home. I was just getting a few cookies. He's at the barber shop, he's up the hill. And then by the time we came out the house, from those three little kids telling people in the neighborhood that they just saw Will Smith, I it had to be, I don't know what Pete, four or five hundred. It was so half of a burning. A lot of kids. A lot of people was going through the block. Like that's a good thing. Heavy D pulled up, God bless him. And he had a motorcycle, he pulled up. Yeah, yeah. And so the cops actually had to kind of escort us two doors down to Pete's Aunt's house because that's what that's where the basement was.
SPEAKER_03:That's where the basement was at, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:Yes.
SPEAKER_02:We had a good time. That was a good time. Yeah, man, that was fun. That was good. That was a good time.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that was a good time. I totally missed Shaq. I was so pissed off about that. I was stuck in traffic, and I was trying to tell him, like, yo, my dude, I was stuck. He was on my way. Yeah. Mom's, he he came in my mother's house. He couldn't even stand up in the living room, I heard.
SPEAKER_02:I was never forget. God bless him and rest in peace, and God bless him. Your apostles was a beautiful man. I never forget um your father's face when he saw Shaq standing behind. He's a giant. He's like, what the fuck? Why is this giant? Yeah, man. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:It was crazy, man. Yeah, man. Yeah, back in.
SPEAKER_02:Jeff Flesh, what's up, man? Damn, man. Damn. Yeah, I know, man. We got years to catch up on, man. Love you, man.
SPEAKER_03:Youngin', bro. You was with me since uh youngin', man. I was trying my hardest, bro. I was trying.
SPEAKER_02:I knew it, though. I knew you had you had your talent, man. You was really bombed.
SPEAKER_03:I was excited. I was like, ah, let me get a haircut. Let me look good. Let me do this. Let me do that. So everybody's got to be able to do that.
SPEAKER_02:It was Marlin on the radio. Yep, with Marlin.
SPEAKER_03:Your brothers, Graf, and Graf and Ruddy. I'm gonna start a podcast in Pete Jeff.
SPEAKER_02:Ruddy was managing Pete. Yes, sir. At that time.
SPEAKER_03:I'm gonna start a podcast called Jeff Raised Us. I'm down. I'm down. We got history, man. But yeah, I'm gonna be able to do that. Jeff, you are now officially everybody big homie. Yeah, I know. Crazy. I get the unc shit all the time now.
SPEAKER_05:You're unclear Jeff right there, man. My first industry dinner was with Jeffrey Sledge. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:All right, we gotta hold on some of these stories because we haven't even started the podcast yet.
SPEAKER_03:All right, all right, all right, all right. Tom, get this in order, please. Get this in order.
SPEAKER_00:I'm gonna get you in order. All right.
SPEAKER_03:All right.
SPEAKER_00:Hey, we got a jam-packed show today. We got not one, not two, but three amazing guests. Some may call this trio the Guardians of the Galaxy, maybe the Justice League, maybe SHIELD, maybe the Avengers, maybe the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Wow. I call them Tat Wizard, Mickey Facts, Pete Rock. Collectively, collectively, they're the hosts of our love-hate relationship with comic culture. How are we doing, fellas?
SPEAKER_03:We're good. It's Friday. You know, it's time to boogie on down. We're good. We're good. Everybody good? Great. I'm great about that. Big bro Jeff, what up? What up, Pete? Chilling, chilling. Chilling, chilling.
SPEAKER_00:All right, I'm gonna set the framework here real quickly.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:We have the pleasure having these guys on Unglossy today, but the conversation isn't gonna stop when the curtains go down here. We're gonna finish this one over at the Comic Culture. So, listeners, get ready for the first ever unglossy to our love-hate relationship with comic culture, the first ever crossover episode.
SPEAKER_03:Let's go, baby.
SPEAKER_00:So let me do some proper introductions. Let me do some proper introductions of our guests. Okay. We got Tat Wiza on. He is a veteran, radio producer at Hot 97. He's a digital director of lit digital DJs and pop culture commentator. Tat came up through New York Radio in the mixed tape era, blending hip-hop culture, comics, and street culture long before it was cool. He's the connective tissue between music, fandom, and the art of conversation. I like this connection. Yes. I put that in there for you. Don't fire, don't fly. He's a Bronx-born lyricist and the founder of Pendulum Inc., the first and only school of hip-hop dedicated to teaching the art and business of lyricism. Mickey built his rep as one of rap's smartest technicians, and it's proof that high intellect and hip-hop swagger can coexist beautifully. That's why he's my man. And then we got Pete Rock. I've always wanted to say this, Pete Rock, the soul brother number one. Yeah. And living legend, whose fingerprints are on the DNA of hip hop itself. From shaping the golden era sound to mentoring new generations. Pete Bridges, classic artistry with fans' genuine love for storytelling. We got the whole cast here. We're all assembled. All the heroes are here. So we got to start here. I think we all kind of like comics and comic movies. Yes. Where did you guys fall in love first with this comic culture? Because this is this is kind of an interesting relationship that you guys all have on this podcast. Where did it start? Who wants to go first?
SPEAKER_03:Bun B, go off. No, okay, all right, go ahead.
SPEAKER_05:I'll start it off. My father was a really, really good comic book artist. And apparently in the 70s, you know, rest in peace to my grandmother and grandfather, you know, they would, you know, they like to to um they like to drink and they like to gamble. So sometimes they would drink and gamble away the rent money. So my father would redraw comic books and sell them. Wow. To pay to help pay the rent. He didn't even know that. That's right. And he had, and he has them still, color comic books that he had, and I would take these comic books and bring them to school and act as if I drew them. And I would read them and I love them, and I fell in love with them from that. So I fell in love with comic books from that space right there.
SPEAKER_03:Wow. That's dope. Everybody as hell. That's dope. That's dope. Uh I mean, okay. Me, um I it just started from me to seeing the colorful, colorful books that with these these interesting people on the cover, and it that I opened it and it and then never closed it. You understand what I'm saying? So I just kept buying comic books from there and interesting, and I beg my moms and sisters to take me to the store to to buy comic books, and and it just never dwindled away, man. The love I had for it. And then, you know, friends in the neighborhood who had way more comic books than me, I would just go over there and be in awe looking at their collection and going through, you know, his and seeing different type of books, and I'm like, damn. You know, so that right there just it just dove me right into that world. And then I just never kind of I just kind of stayed in it. Even right now, I still got books like right over here.
SPEAKER_01:Wow.
SPEAKER_03:Wow.
SPEAKER_01:I mean mine is more just my mom's got me. I'm a I'm I'm a mixed, you know, I grew up in the hood my whole life, but with my white mother. So there was turbulent times here and there. And my mom's got me uh Power Man and Iron Fist, and for some reason I just super connected to that and like like drew me in, kind of giving me confidence, you know what I'm saying, as a whole in life and at the time. And and then from there, just kind of like on my radar at all times. Even when, you know, when I was younger and I was maybe a knucklehead from time to time, um, doing things that I shouldn't have been doing, still like sneaking off, going to read the comics at the at the shop, you know, taking time, being there, whatever, going home late, you know what I'm saying, making sure I was getting in the information I need to get in. So, you know, just and then from there, you know, staying in the culture, no matter what I was doing in life, like in the 90s, watching X-Men and all of the cartoons that would come on as I grew up into an adult, always keeping that in my uh, I guess in my lexicon or whatever, right? So it's like it's just all that information is just like always right there for me. And I I just love it.
SPEAKER_02:Same.
SPEAKER_01:This is crazy.
SPEAKER_03:It's already a very unique perspective. Huh?
SPEAKER_00:How about you? You're you're kind of in the comics too, right? A little bit?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, so I mean, I'm not nowhere near a collector or anything like these guys, but I used to have a friend down the street. I didn't have a comic book collection. I didn't have a lot of things because we just didn't have the bread for like extra shit. I'm a big boy. If I had money for extra shit, I wanted food. Right, right. But like the only reading I had, my dad bought like, you know, guys go door to door selling encyclopedias and dictionary. My old man actually bought one. Oh and was like, you're gonna read this all the way through. But I had a homie down the street who used to have comic books. So I would go to his house. He had everything. So I had three brothers, you know, my parents that make a lot of money. He was the only child, and his own man had bread. So he had everything. So he was kind of one of those kids. I was like, yo, you still reading this? No, I don't care about that. And like I said, I was a little fat dude or whatever. So I identified with the thing. Like to me, I identified with the thing. So so I wanted to read all the Fantastic Four, but this is like 82 or 83, so I'm trying to get to know about the Fantastic Four, and then here comes Doom. Like 83 was a Doom year. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So I'm like, well, who is this dude? You know what I'm saying? And I just, and then he stopped collecting. So I stopped reading. I and I stopped having access. I'm in the hood in Houston. There's no shops in the area for me to go to and and read or anything. So my my I just kind of separate from it. And then '83, you know, the TV show comes on and we start seeing representation and movies and all of that stuff. So I still get a connection to the superhero world and the base, but I don't have that connection through the comic books. But I've been able to take, like, my nieces and I, our relationship is built around Marvel. Like, I've been taking them since Iron Man. You know what I'm saying? So that's just a part of our life now. But and they're like, should we be reading comic books for this stuff? Like, should if we read comic books, we would know. I say you'd know more about the characters. I don't know if you'd know more about what's coming. Right. You know what I'm saying? Because there's so many different storylines. You know what I'm saying? And they kind of pick bits. I've noticed that people say they're picking this. Well, this is from this one and this is from that, and they're kind of putting it together, you know, that kind of thing. I'm not as I'm attached more to the movies because it gives me an opportunity to bond with the youngsters around me, spend time with them. But I do still think I'm the thing.
SPEAKER_00:Like, did you guys like I grew up listening? Like, we watched the The Justice League, right? Remember that cartoon where if it was the first time all these characters kind of came together and they were in the kind of the same thing? Like I never read the comics, but I loved the cartoons on Saturday mornings. Yeah. You know, you'd sit in front and watch all of them Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, all of that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, I was into the X-Men. So X-Men 97, X-Men 92, pardon me, was was a big deal for me. I was 10 years old, and that was really my introduction to the X-Men, being able to see them. Like I had Saw Wolverine here and there, because you know, there was the video game stuff. So to see them go from the cartoon to the, excuse me, the video game to the cartoon, it was like a big deal to see it in that way. So I was I I loved the cartoons, you know, when I was a kid. As I got older, I've started to get back into it with with us here at the podcast because Marvel has did Marvel Zombies, they did X Men 97, they did What If. So all of the bringing us back to that space when I was a kid, you know, loving it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I I I go back, I mean, I go back to the 70s. So I mean, I was in the comic book, I had comics as a kid, and then in the 70s you had the TV shows. So you had the Hulk, Spider-Man, and it was a Spider-Man show, Lecture Company. Exactly, all that type of stuff. So the comic books, the comic thing kind of came from that, and then I I had a run where I was I was ahead, but I I it ended probably by the time I got to middle school, but I had a run where I was deep in the comics because back in well in New York anyway, um, Mickey and Pete and Ted, you probably remember this too. Um you might you're a little younger, but you might remember. Back then, you buy the comic books from like the store, like the both they like the store. Stationery. Like they would be in the store. You get the mystery pack. The local stationery. Yep. Yeah, you good. The stationery. Older than I love. There you go. Yeah. You go in there and read the comic books on the rack and pick one. And they were like cheap. They were like 10 cents, 25 cents. I had a run where I was deep into it, but I let it go. And I I kind of I kind of regret letting it go because they're so engrossing. You could like read comic books and like you forget what time it is. You just be like reading and just like getting your own world.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I might get back into it, you know. I might get back into it.
SPEAKER_03:You might get the comic books get you into the movies more too. Like, you know. And so you're getting you're excited to see the actual like motion picture of like Spider-Man, Toby Maguire's Spider-Man. Like, that shit was crazy.
SPEAKER_01:You know what sorry, what Marvel will do sometimes is they'll let you know the comic books that the actors are looking at for the roles that they're playing, giving you a chance to read those storylines to you know maybe bring everything together when you watch the movie. Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_03:So, so being so storied in comic books, and pardon the pun, but so you guys have so much of this information. When you go and watch the film adaption of some of these characters, right? Are there things that you feel like they're lacking, or are there things that you feel like they haven't really, there's so many ways they could have fully formed out these characters that they ain't even really tapped into yet? And just opened up a whole can of worms right there. That's what I wanted. That's good content.
SPEAKER_05:Let's go. Let it off, let off your gun.
SPEAKER_03:Get it all, get it out. Well, you know I'm a Hulk guy. You know I'm the Hulk. There we go. Always he represents the reason why I love him so much is because he represents strength, bro. And I took that on in hip hop. You know what I'm saying? I I said, if if I'm gonna perfect something and do music, and I have to be strong. And so I took that on and kept that going in my head and applied it to what I was doing. But that's another reason why I love the comic books because of the inspiration of the heroes, that they have powers, you know, you know, they're regular people, you know. Spidey's just a regular dude with no money. You know what I'm saying? But he got them powers, and he's learning responsibility, learning to fight crime. And, you know, it will it was before Hulk, it was Spider-Man. This cartoon, the 67 cartoon. That's it. I was I was married to that series, that series. And then the music of, you know, I and when that came out, I was young, I wasn't even born yet, but when I got to, you know, as a kid, hear the music coming from there.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, we just can't put it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. So it was doing something to me, bro. And I was like, you know what, man? One day, one day, when maybe we'll get to do something with this music. I seen something on YouTube where the composer put out the actual music that we used in the episodes. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:That is okay. So let me just jump in right here before you go, Chat. That was the Peter, that was the Peter Rock answer.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that wasn't that wasn't the uh Yeah, I mean, you know, you know Peter Rock.
SPEAKER_05:I hate Disney. That's that's that's that's that's yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, you know what? Hate is a strong word, Mickey. Can we mitigate that? I don't know anyway. Like that's not it. I'll say he hates their choices.
SPEAKER_01:He doesn't hate them, he hates their choices.
SPEAKER_03:Right, and how they dumb down things, that's all. You know what I'm saying? So I'm so does that do you feel like that comes from like the head? Do you feel like that's coming from Kevin? Or do you feel like different directors take different like let's let's just throw eternals out there, right? Let's let's throw that on the table, right? I feel like those characters told the right way could have been a could have told a different story. But I feel like they put it in in the wrong hand. Just like Ang Lee with the Hulk. I feel like Un Lee is an Oscar-winning director, an amazing director, right?
SPEAKER_06:Yep.
SPEAKER_03:You know what I'm saying? Man, he thinks it they just I don't I I'm wondering, is that more of the director's vision or is that the way that Kevin actually wants these things to play out?
SPEAKER_01:I think I think Kevin um oversees everything and makes sure the bigger phase story that they're trying to tell is told. But I think he definitely gives each uh director and producer team the autonomy to be creative. I think that's why creatives actually love to work with him, even though in like it's in the superhero genre and sometimes it gets talked down to. But yeah, I think each one of those directors make those makes those choices themselves. And I think with the Eternals, especially, I forget her name, Chloe or whatever the director's name was.
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_01:So she was going for the first ever superhero, superhero Oscar. She was trying to like, you know, get a visual effects or uh, you know, the stunning imagery cinematography. She was trying to get like a a technical Oscar or something with to put that on the books and put that like I brought the Oscar to Marvel because you know it's been a thing that uh they're not gonna get seriously looked at because it's the superhero genre. So I but I mean that that's that one specific, and yes, the the Eternals could have definitely been a different movie. I'm gonna keep it all the way true. But I mean I enjoyed it still.
SPEAKER_03:And the sophistication of the acting was was good. We just wanted a better story, I would say. Yeah, I feel like I I feel like you could argue that Feige really like you guys do what you want. Here's my post credit. I need you to get tell whatever story you need to tell to get me from A to B because I gotta sell B. I'm really selling B. You know what I mean? I need everything, I need all storylines to point to B, right? Point to B. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I think it's with that, and then sometimes also well, make sure these key moments get hit so when I can relate to B, it makes sense. Yeah, and and yeah, I think that's it. And then a lot of the rest is a creative choice, and sometimes those choices aren't what specific comic book fans want to see.
SPEAKER_00:But isn't that kind of the beauty though? Like comics, art, music, I think so. All in the eye of the beholder, right? So like you that some people are gonna love it, some people are gonna hate it.
SPEAKER_03:Like that's well, I didn't like the Aang Lee story, I didn't like what was written, okay, because that's not the true origin of who Hulk was. He's a mixture of Frankenstein and and and and and and Jekyll and Hyde. And then you have to remember, like, Aang Lee also tried to create this film as a comic book. Comic book. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I like the frames and all that. Yeah, you know. Yeah. So he just put too much sauce on it. He just put too much sauce on it. What was your thing? I I love the Ed Norton one because he paid homage, of course, to the TV show. But then as a new movie, it was also great. I felt like the leader could have been a little bit better, how he came about. But what but with Mark, I thought Mark was great in the first Avengers, right? Second Avengers, then it just started going left for me with Mark. With Mark.
SPEAKER_02:So you like the only liked the first two Avengers with Mark, and then you didn't really like where he went after that.
SPEAKER_03:Right. Because they started clowning them, and then you know, of course, I didn't like Infinity because of Thanos. He got washed. He got washed by Thanos, and then the fact that when they needed him, he couldn't turn it. When was it pissed off? Yeah, that was when yeah. He nerfed him, they nerfed him. And so that pissed me off. That's why I was going around pissed off.
SPEAKER_05:There's this meme, there's this meme about the Hulk. So you know, in our community, when we say we're gonna beat the sense out of a nigga, right? Thanos was the first person to beat the sense into a bit, he beat the Hulk so bad he became mad smart.
SPEAKER_03:I was so upset. I was like, why is he crying? Why is he like, yo, he's coming, he's coming. No, yeah, they'll feel like they played with him because it's a smart hulk thing, right? I don't like that at all. But even how they introduced that, even how that came about and how they introduced that, then they played it in She-Hulk, and it was just horrible, man. Please, I I I don't I don't want to talk about She-Hulk.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. Let's just talk about this all the time on the on the pod, right? But do y'all y'all know that the reason that they're doing this is copyright issues with universal. Yeah. So they're skirting how things can be played. Like they can't put Hulk in certain things, they only have rights to put them in other, you know, the things that they're gonna do. No, they can't they can only put them in like TV shows and and like uh features in the movie, and then I guess you know, they're saving because they're looking to work out this deal with Universal, that they're saving the stuff that they could be doing that would excite Pete very much until they work it out. And the word is that they are gonna work it out, so I think they gotta get the World War Hulk, right?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah, but I don't think that's that story's coming a little bit too early.
SPEAKER_05:I just I think so too. I think they're just rushing it now. You know, for me, I'm not I'm half and half. I'm the bridge between Tat Wizard and Pete Rock. You know what I'm saying? Like there's stuff that I like, and then there's stuff that I hate. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And I I I I agree with Tat on things, I agree with Pete on things. They need to just fix it, they need to get back to what they were doing so we could get back to just having a love relationship with Comic Con.
SPEAKER_03:But this is all thrown off, right? Like we're all off schedule though, right now, right? Yeah, technically, we're all we're not even supposed to be here right now, right? Because the entire Kingdom storyline is gone. We're not supposed to see Doom. We weren't supposed to see Doom for another four or five years.
SPEAKER_05:I agree.
SPEAKER_03:Technically, I agree, you know? But I would think the Fantastic Four would have popped up this quick.
SPEAKER_01:We were coming to Secret Wars anyway. That was still on that was on the table when Kang. It was because it was Kang's movie, and then it was Secret Wars Anyway. So we would have got they probably were gonna introduce Doom in Secret Wars, but but it that we would have got that anyway. So they just veered they veered off the last couple movies, but I mean, I think it it it it gave us greatness. We'll see, but you know I think uh you know what, Tat, though, so now Jonathan will be back, I think. That's my prediction. That's what I think too.
SPEAKER_02:I believe after the uh obviously the storm has calmed, and then he did they they put out the uh the bodybuilder movie, and and he feel it feels like he's back to the space where he could he'll have to probably do some press about it. Yeah, yeah. He's not gonna be running away from anybody. Yeah, he won't be able to avoid it, but I think he's in a space now where he could do some press about it and get back into the universe.
SPEAKER_03:I don't know. I don't I think that'd be a real reach. I really do. I just don't I don't I don't see them I don't see how they bring really bring him back anytime soon. I think I think they're more beholden to shareholders and the court of public opinion than we think. And I just don't think it's I don't think it's time yet. I think I think we gotta let that thing breathe a little long.
SPEAKER_01:But he'll be back.
SPEAKER_00:And we'll be right back.
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SPEAKER_03:And I know this is a whole other thing, but like you know, Travis Scott, right? Like, Travis Scott had the Astro World Festival where people lost their life. You know what I'm saying? He's he's no longer under any, you know, criminal situation, he's no longer under any civil situation, and yet he still is too soon. Like every year when I would do the rodeo, I'd be like, yo, can I can I bring him now? And it's like it's too soon. And it's all like this year, it was all, and he's begging me to come and put it on. And there's they just keep telling me it's like it's too soon. It's too soon. Well, that's that's also, you know, deaths. That that's the fraud, that's a far thing. But I say that to say that I think the court of public opinion is still a little iffy about Jonathan Major, because he he's not getting nominated for the the bodybuilder shit is bananas. They keep saying why, yeah. Yeah, like banana. They act like that movie didn't even exist. You know what I'm saying? It's whack, man. It's whack. They need him back, bro. They need him back. I think they've got to get him back into filmmaking in the front of filmmaking, period. Right? Like, I think he's gotta do something. It's gotta click with people. The public will be like, okay, this is okay, I like this from him. He seems, you know, he regrets what he's done. He's, you know, you know, he's he's very humble about it. You know, he's he's gone through everything he's had to do. I think we bring him back. You know what I'm saying? I don't think Disney can bring him back. I think he's gotta, the public has to accept him again, and then they can be like, okay, well, let's get back to it. Let's get right back to it. But if I think about the the whole thing overall, it's just like, damn, really? We doing all of this just to get him back in the movie. Well, I don't know any actor that could replicate this.
SPEAKER_01:He has to refill this career anyway, so yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I think they bring him bigger than just the comic movies. It's a bummer, but that dude's an actor actor. Like that was an actor phenomenon. I mean, Creed was phenomenal. Me convinced. Oh, he's phenomenal. He was phenomenal. I was I was like, damn, they got the body, got it, he's phenomenal.
SPEAKER_02:I know you want to ask all about the Spider-Man, the multiverse joints. Like, what's your I mean, I I I think part of the anime. Right? The Spanimated one? Hell yeah. Both was amazing. They just started. The way they used the music in both of them, especially the Biggie in there.
SPEAKER_03:I was like, yeah, yep, big, yep, they had the hip hop in there. I was loving that. It's the only thing Sony's doing right. Yeah. With Marvel. Yes. I would argue multiverse. Multiverse is probably top five best Marvel movies ever made. I think what they're doing, what that storyline is really, huh? Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:I'm not mad at that. I'm not mad at that at all.
SPEAKER_03:No, no, I I and I think they're I think the animation allows them to craft that storyline with more purity.
SPEAKER_06:Right?
SPEAKER_03:Because there's so many different things you would you would might want to do, and it doesn't really translate. You know what I'm saying? Like, I look at Strange and Spider-Man in the in the multiverse and the spaces, and then I look at it, the storyline through the animation. It's just animation just affords you so much nuance. You can do so much. You can do a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:They don't have any restrictions on the actor, right, or the character, or what they want to do. They can they can just if they have an idea, it's done.
SPEAKER_03:You know, seeing blood in the Wolverine versus Hulk, that shit was crazy, seeing them bleed like that. That was yeah. It can translate from a comic book to or a graphic novel to an animation without losing any real generations, right? They can basically, whatever the look and feel is, we can go for. And they can play with the look of it, right? It can, you know, I don't know how you would turn like a regular Marvel story into a samurai story or in the way that what am I getting at? Like the the animation style in particular that they shoot in, right? That does there's no way to do that with live action.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:You know what I'm saying? No. Well, yeah, but but we know that with this particular style of animation that we're gonna get, like combat is gonna look different, movement is gonna look different, the threat will be much more imminent, right? There's a lot more use of shadows and things like that. It really, really helps to set the tone of the room and to combine what the intention of the writing and the art is really meant to be. They really they're nailing it over there. I was talking to Giggs about this, who is you guys should get gigs on. Huge, huge comic book. Oh, yeah? Love it. Absolutely. He and I talk about films all the time. That's a big he believes that he believes that into the multiverse might be one of the best films ever. I think he believes he believes it might be second only to like endgame. Like he looks like that.
SPEAKER_02:Multiverse was incredible. I mean, the first time I saw that in the theater, I was like, I'm gonna link y'all and get him on the show.
SPEAKER_03:He's talking about the fighting multiverse, right?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, we're talking about it. This is like the old black Spider-Man competition.
SPEAKER_00:You don't you don't you don't fuck with it like that, Tom? No, I'm just shocked that number one Yo, if yeah, you've seen it, right?
SPEAKER_02:Really? I've seen it.
SPEAKER_00:I think I might have to rewatch it now.
SPEAKER_03:When when when Tatala started it started getting, you know, that got me emotional. You know what I'm saying? Tablet.
SPEAKER_05:I got I got it over, I got it over Endgame. Endgame was why don't you like Endgame? I like it.
SPEAKER_01:It's the only part I like in it. He liked it the first time and then he rewatched it, and then now it's just trash. Terrible.
SPEAKER_03:Well, you say that's it.
SPEAKER_01:I don't understand this. Yo, check this out. Check this out.
SPEAKER_03:It's the best, it's the best movie ending of all time. Mickey breaks down, break it down.
SPEAKER_01:He prefers the cliffhanger of Infinity War.
SPEAKER_05:Endgame to me is like going to an amusement park, and it's the best ride at the amusement park. You're gonna get on that ride, and that first ride on that on that ride, on that, whatever the whatever it might be, you're like, oh my gosh, this is the best ride. And then the second time you get on that ride is not as the same, it's not thrilling. I listen, I saw it the night it came out, Thursday night. I went to Manhattan and I was blown away.
SPEAKER_03:We all did. Of course.
SPEAKER_05:We we all I know for a fact I saw it Thursday night. I think I think it was incredible.
SPEAKER_03:I saw it the first day it came out.
SPEAKER_05:I went to go see it again, and I'm like, I don't think this is that good. Now it was- Why not? What changed? What changed? What changed? It felt more like fan service than it did like film. You know what I'm saying? Right. It felt more if it yes, it was a culmination, they had to do a lot, but it just didn't have it, it was too much therapy in it. I didn't care. All of that, it was just too much. Too much therapy? I didn't have time for all that. And I was the o I almost got I almost got murdered because when Tony Stark died, people were crying and I was cheering.
SPEAKER_03:I was like, he's stupid. Okay, all right, all right, all right. We deal we're dealing with a different type of dude.
SPEAKER_02:Wow.
SPEAKER_03:We're dealing with a different type of dude.
SPEAKER_01:First of all, I need some uh psychological tests here. I was so happy. But don't you think?
SPEAKER_03:I'm gonna get all your parents book opinions with a grain of salt at this point. Let me ask you. Do y'all agree with y'all agree with Iron Man Dying Man? Yeah, but you there's room to be wrong, Mickey. There's room to be wrong.
SPEAKER_05:But wait, listen, listen. Yo, Bun loved that movie, huh? Okay, so Pete, I don't agree with Iron Man dying. Okay, I don't agree with him.
SPEAKER_03:But I was like, I don't agree with that.
SPEAKER_05:I just didn't like that everything revolved around Iron Man.
SPEAKER_03:Around Tony.
SPEAKER_05:That was my issue with Iron Man. So with him with him dying, it removed Doomsday.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:But Spider-Man was Iron. It was he was like an Iron Man. Spider-Man was literally Iron Man in the MCU. He was the Iron Spider. He was literally, yeah, whatever you want to call it. He was Iron Man. That's the version. I didn't like that. I didn't like it.
SPEAKER_03:I absolutely disagree. I absolutely disagree. This entire MCU is built around Iron Man, Tony Stark. That's fine. Everything is about it. And he wanted, and they gave him his, and he wanted out. I think he won it out. I think here's the thing they had to decide who snapped him, right? Yes. They had to kind of figure out who was gonna snap this thing. Right? And Tony was the only one that had put in enough work and enough time. I'm talking about it within the MCU, right? This is strictly on the film aspect of everything. Nobody else has got the right to snap that, right? Nobody else has got the right to snap that. And Tony Stark, as a man, is not strong enough to survive that snap. The power of that snap. Focus. Exactly. That's the whole thing. But it gave him, but what I'm saying is it gave him. I hate the funeral. That's what I hate. I'll be honest. I ain't got no problem with Tony dying. I wasn't crazy about the service. No, why not? I thought niggas should have been way more somber.
SPEAKER_01:It's too small.
SPEAKER_03:Like, no, no, like no. I ain't really see nobody crying at that hole. Like, y'all wrong for this shit. They had superhero attitudes. That niggas, that nigga say everybody, bro. He says everybody.
SPEAKER_01:Damn, right.
SPEAKER_03:Damn, that was my dude. Like a nigga you went to school with. Like, no, give him, give him his due.
SPEAKER_00:Do you think that he wanted out? Like the actor wanted out?
SPEAKER_05:I think this was it for him. I think his character art. Why is he better then? Because they because they paid him a lot of money. They paid him a crazy amount of money.
SPEAKER_03:All right, let's let's ask this question. Let me ask this question to my guest today. Who would you have been happy to see take that mask off at that Comic Con? If it wasn't Tony, that would that you would say, okay, now we got the movie.
SPEAKER_05:Good question. That's a good question. Now we got a door. Cillian Murphy.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, he was the talk of the town before they introduced RDJ again.
SPEAKER_03:And I think a lot of people nobody screams Piaky Blinders as much as me. I love him and Peaky Blinders. Doom? He got a great scarecrow. He's a good enough actor, right? I think he can get the emotion and the intention of the character down. But that's like he's not physically imposing, though. So, okay. He's frail. He's like, he's not. I'm not saying go get Jack Reacher. I'm not saying go get that dude, right? But I don't know, man. Like we're thinking Marvel villain. Like, there's gotta be some. I just don't, I don't think he's physically imposing enough. I feel like Doom's gotta be. Robin Jr. is not physically imposing. No, Robert Johnny Jr. is a little dude. He's a little dude. Yeah. But would you rather have a bigger actor? Like, like who would who like, you know? I don't know.
SPEAKER_05:Who would be your choice for Doom?
SPEAKER_03:That's that's hard because we don't have a present-day Russell Crowe-esque guy. Like, there's no Gerard Butler or anybody like that. I don't think, I don't think like a Garrett Hudlin could do it. Who's that that's playing Ed Gean right now? The head of the Sons of Anarchy. He's like the head of the of the gang in Sons of Anarchy. I don't watch the show, so I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:Ron Pearlman?
SPEAKER_03:No, no, it's not Ron Pearlman. It's Charlie Hunning. Is it Charlie Hunning?
SPEAKER_01:Jax from Sons of Anarchy? Yeah, Charlie Hillen, yeah, yeah. Charlie Hillen, yes. Oh, he's playing Ed Gean. I gotta start that. Crazy.
SPEAKER_03:I gotta crazy. That's a rough movie. That's a rough like series. I ain't gonna front.
SPEAKER_05:I like Cillian. I like Cillian, man. I think Cillian's he did well in the Dark Knight series. He did well on Peaky Blinders.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but if you look at him in the Dark Knight, if you look at him in the Dark Knight series, he's like a little weasel.
SPEAKER_01:It makes sense for the Scarecrow in the Dark Knight, but I think you get past the physical if he acted his ass off as Doom. I think.
SPEAKER_03:Well, we know he can't act like a mother. Like I won't take that away from him at all. He's a bad motherfucker. He will give you what about Adrian Brody? I would have I take Adrian Brody as that as dirty mysterious. What about Fenster from the usual suspects?
SPEAKER_02:Up in the beast.
SPEAKER_03:Kevin Spacey. He got the face, you know, no, no. He's talking about Benicio. He's talking about Benicious. Oh, Benicio. Benicious. He's a collector. He's a collector. He's already in the MC.
SPEAKER_00:Hey, what about what about Brian? Or is he too old from Breaking Bad? Brian. Yeah. Yeah, Brian Crasnner. I take that. He might be a little old for Doom. He might be a little old, but man, he's got that vibe.
SPEAKER_01:You got me.
SPEAKER_05:I don't know about Brian Krasner. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:He's definitely a little too old. I mean, he might be a little too old.
SPEAKER_05:We don't have course.
SPEAKER_03:No, no, I don't know, but what I'm saying is, like, well, I don't know, because they figure out how to make Tom Cruise imposing every year, and that nigga's five's every year. I'm watching, watching Tulsa King right now, and I'm like, nigga, Sylvester Stone is a beast at five foot three and a half. Like crazy. You know what though? You just said something interesting, though. Who said Ron Pearlman?
SPEAKER_01:That was what I thought you were saying. Yeah, Ron Pearl said it. Ron Pearlman, he's he could. He's long in the team. He's long in the teeth. He was Lion King and Hellboy. So he was Hellboy.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, he was Hellboy.
SPEAKER_05:You know what I'm saying? But he has a bunch of topic voice, but I don't know. Yeah, he's definitely too old. I don't know about Ron Perlman.
SPEAKER_03:Let's okay, they gotta have black hair. I don't know enough about this right now. Are Doom and Reed Richards supposed to be around the same age?
SPEAKER_05:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:They went to high school together. They went to school together. So that's gonna determine that kicks the Ron Prolans and the Brian Cranstons out of the equation automatically.
SPEAKER_05:All right, but let me let me let I'ma say a name, and he would never do it. This would have took for MCU. Okay. That's the universe telling them. Don't even do it. I don't know what's going on with my computer. I'm not I'm not in Atlanta right now. It might be because you're in bed. Am I frozen again? Freezing facts. It could be that freezing facts. Freezing facts. You get out of bed and get to a desk like the rest of us. Loungey. I'm in New York, man. This is well I got Daniel Day Lewis as Doom.
SPEAKER_01:Daniel Day Lewis. Now you're saying something. He might be still a little too old, but now you're saying something.
SPEAKER_03:Now we're getting there.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. If if this were the time period that we're in in Gangs of London, like that, Daniel Day Lewis, 100%. I mean Gangs in New York. What do y'all think about? No, no Ryan Gosling.
SPEAKER_03:Ryan Gosling. Why why no Ryan Gosling? He's physically imposed. Ryan Gosling. Is he too? I like Ryan Gosling. So Ryan Gosling. But I don't know that his own. Are you saying he didn't care? You think that he'll be too Ryan, he's too handsome. He's too Ryan Gosling. Yeah, he's too Ryan threatening. He's too la laying. He's not be honest. That's what took me out of the new Blade Runner, was him being the new Blade Runner.
SPEAKER_01:Like that's I mean, this is more blade runner than we didn't do better than our guy, Harrison.
SPEAKER_05:What about Matthew McConaughey? McConaughey's dope. All right, all right. All right.
SPEAKER_01:Blind, right? All right, all right, all right. I got you guys in trouble now.
SPEAKER_05:I thought you said it had to be a brunette.
SPEAKER_02:I gotta ask a question. What was your thoughts on the new spot on the new Superman? I love it.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, let's go. I'm gonna back out of this because that's not my Superman. Like somebody had to tell me, somebody had to explain to me, nigga. I'ma say I don't like jokes in movies. I'ma say that, and then I don't I only liked Mr. Terrific. Sorry. You must hate Thor. You must hate Thor with a penny. I hated Love and Thunder. I hated it. You like Ragnarok? I didn't like Ragnarok either. I thought you no, I didn't. I didn't like that. Ragnarok started. Like, come on, man. Killing it. He knows. It was explained to me that this was not my Superman. Like, I first thought I had a conversation about what I didn't like about this Superman movie. I won't get into it. And the person I was arguing with was like, nigga, they told your Superman story twice. What more? Like, get out the way. There's more Superman storylines. Because you got to remember, I grew up with the Christopher Reed General Zod. And then they brought General Zod right back. So that they were like, yo, your Superman, that story has already been told twice. Oh, you want us to? How many more General Zodiac? How many more times? There are more.
SPEAKER_01:There are definitely more storylines for Superman. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03:So I'll give him credit for that. And yeah, I think everybody across the board agrees that Mr. Terrific was to me the best part of the story. He was the show. He stole the show. Yeah. Yeah. And he could speak. He was an X-Men too, bud. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:They killed him off too quick. They killed him quick.
SPEAKER_03:And he was a character. He was the one that could survive anything, right? Yeah, he had that hard skin or whatever.
SPEAKER_01:But and this is a distinction that we've kind of set in this, and and like to make sure we keep that line there. That was pre-MCU. Everything after the MCU has been a different thing. And it's been better, even when it's not good.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, that's fair.
SPEAKER_01:I could get with that.
SPEAKER_03:Better doesn't mean great, it just means better. I'll give you that. Better than before. Yep. Yes.
SPEAKER_00:I'm gonna get the butts back on track here for a minute. Okay, okay. I want to hear from these guys. You guys now have a comic culture show. Why, why? Why did you decide to actually do this? And I mean, we're kind of hearing a little bit of it. You absolutely have opinions on all this stuff. And why is your show gonna be different than any other comic show out there?
SPEAKER_05:Well, for me, you know, that wizard had has he had a uh clubhouse room, and that's how I kind of you know knew that he was into the comics from that perspective. Me and Pete were talking, we weren't even talking about music. I would never reach out to Pete and be like, let me get a beat. Let me do it. We would literally just kind of talk. You have stop lying.
SPEAKER_00:Well, I've actually heard you asking for a beat.
SPEAKER_05:A me who got the beat right a few times. But you know, it's like 90, it's like a 90-10 thing. Uh, we we talk mostly comics over music. Yeah, 100%.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, we do, we do, we do, we do.
SPEAKER_05:And I was like, yo, man, we probably need to kind of let people know how we think about this. And I I felt like it was a great space between someone who loves what's happening, right, with tat, and then somebody who kind of has some uh some disdain, I don't want to say hate, right? Disdain to what was happening in the world. It was that, man. Yeah, yeah, that was you a little bit. And and I was the bridge. I was this guy that was like, I like some of it, I don't like some of this. And this creates a great synergy between two opposite polar sides that we could kind of talk about and debate on and be up to date on it because we were just talking about it separately in text messages. And I felt I I personally feel like us coming together is now allowing people to see that hey, yeah, we all all three of us do music as our you know frontline space, but we also have a vast knowledge of comic culture and we and we love it and we share that love with each other. Yeah, I love this three-hold dynamics.
SPEAKER_02:What it's putting me up on is I just because I'm not tapped into comic book culture like I was as a kid, I have I had no knowledge of how many music people are tapped in. Like every time I click, they're saying, oh yeah, mom, yeah, you you know. Like I I had Reef on my show uh two weeks ago, I guess now, and he's the one who told me about Paz from Day Live. Yeah. And I've known Pops forever. I had no idea.
SPEAKER_03:Like man pose are the same way.
SPEAKER_02:Like I had no idea that that, like, and there's many more people like that in the in the business that are like so deeply tapped into the comic culture. I had no, I just had no knowledge.
SPEAKER_00:Why do you think that is? Why do you think there's such a close connection between comic book culture and hip hop comics?
SPEAKER_03:I can teach you that without even being a collector. I think it's it's all it's a part of our childhood. I think for many of us, those two things came into our lives around the same time, if I if I had to guess, based on the guys that are talking in this room. You can almost tell based on the people they like and the characters and that they're into and stuff like that, and the the disdain that Mickey has for so many different parts of it. You can tell when they fell in love, but you can tell when they fell in love with these books. You know what I'm saying? You can tell who they gravitated to. It's the same thing with hip hop, you know what I'm saying? We all kind of found it the same way. We gravitated to certain people, certain styles of it. And that's kind of you know, that's that's just me, you know, looking at it for sure.
SPEAKER_01:I agree, and uh add on top of that, I think because of growing up with it uh at the same time, a lot of rappers got their vocabulary and how they put their rhymes together from the comics. You know, there's sayings that when you watch some of those cartoons, and it's like how a villain says something sometimes, you're like, that's from that's a rap bar, but this came out before the rap bar. I'm like, yo, this so it just makes me feel like you know, a lot of rappers took that creativity and expounded on it and got to their greatness.
SPEAKER_03:I was gonna say something, but I'm I'm gonna save it for I'ma save it for y'all coming at me because my my first rap name is superhero kind of derivatives oh we gotta save that.
SPEAKER_00:We'll get we'll get to that.
SPEAKER_03:We gotta save that. We'll get to that. I just thought about who I'm talking to. I'm like, I gotta talk about this. I gotta talk about this.
SPEAKER_02:But I'm gonna save it for y'all. I'm gonna save it for y'all. The two things that that I've I've I've said I've discovered, because I'm not really tapping either either one of these cultures, that rappers are so deeply tapped into besides music, obviously, are comics and wrestling. Yes, wrestling. Wrestling. And they kind of, if you if you look at it, they all kind of kind of make sense as to why same thing. You said like wrestling also is characters and the speeches of Ric Flair. Energy thing. Ric Flair is a god. That's a good point.
SPEAKER_01:The confidence.
SPEAKER_02:Ric Flair is a god.
SPEAKER_03:But you know, rapper, rappers like to craft themselves as a larger-than-life persona. You know what I'm saying? And the superhero and the wrestling aesthetic clearly leads into that. And again, I don't know how it is for women, but I know for men, like little boys, like that's what you wanna, you want to be like the Hulk or Superman. Like you take that on. You know what I'm saying? You want to be able to knock out everybody and run faster than everybody and you know, shoot a better shot and knock a baseball faster, like all of that. And those kind of characters live in that larger-than-life world. Like they live in a world where they're picking up 300-pound men and slamming them on the ground. That's as close to a real superhero that you're gonna see in the flesh. They come out with the cape, the costume, you know what I'm saying, the theatrics of it, the music to accompany them. And what do they do? They go on the ring and they knock out the villain and they put their foot on their chest, type of shit, you know? Like that's it. That's victory. Wrestling is as close to superhero aesthetic as we get in real life. That's a fact. In real life, you're right. Absolutely. That's a fact. I agree with that.
SPEAKER_00:Before we end, I'd like to end with a little bit of lightning round questions. All right. So we'll go around the horn. We'll start with Pete.
SPEAKER_03:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:Favorite villain.
SPEAKER_03:Ooh. Oh, wow. My favorite villain has to be Galactus.
SPEAKER_01:Doom there's no greater villain. That's true. That had to be different. For sure.
SPEAKER_00:Mickey. The Joker. Ooh, that's a good one.
unknown:Wow.
SPEAKER_03:For me? That's a good one. That's a good question. I hadn't really thought about that. That's a good question. I I didn't know you were going around this table. Um, we're gonna be obscure because this I don't know if this is a comic book. This is more of a graphic novel. Say what you feel, bro. I really I really like the conquest angle and incredible and uh Invincible. I don't know if anybody's watching Invincible. I think Invincible is I think Invincible is the best series. I think it's the best thing you can actually watch on television. Invincible. Yeah, I love what's this. I gotta watch this. It's good. It's really, really good. So I would say right now, Conquest, because I don't know how they're gonna is Battle Beast a villain at this point?
SPEAKER_01:In Invincible, yeah. In Invincible, yeah. Yes, Battle Beast.
SPEAKER_03:Battle Beast for sure.
SPEAKER_01:He's he's crazy with it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I would say that's my favorite villain right now.
SPEAKER_00:That's your favorite.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, I'm I I I got a uh a tie because they're both in the same kind of pocket. Um Killmonger and Thanos. Because were they really wrong? I don't, you know, so it's kind of they were they were they were ill, but like they were kind of making some sense in a lot of ways. They were harsh and within the stuff. They were fighting for stuff, yeah. So what the heck exactly, Pete. They had a they had in a weird integrity to what they were doing, you know. So those are my two faves. I'll give you a few.
SPEAKER_03:I'll give Thanos credit because he was indiscriminate, right? Yeah, like it was just like we're just gonna kill half. I'm just going, live, die, live, die. I'm not picking no favorites, all right? Like, we're gonna indiscriminately kill half of y'all.
SPEAKER_01:Except for Gamora. Yeah, he dusted her off. Yeah, he's like, nah, you know, matter of fact, here you come with me. I got you. Let me hold it. Let me hold that.
SPEAKER_00:All right, question. I'm going with Joker, by the way. I gotta go with the Joker. I love that joker.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, yeah, no, that Joker's a great fucking villain. It is.
SPEAKER_00:Which one though, Bon? Which which what who which person do you think was the best actor of the Joker?
SPEAKER_03:He agree with it. I I'm gonna say Heath. Mickey, you got a real deserted look on your face. I like you.
SPEAKER_05:I like Jack Jack. I like Jack. I can't do that. I like Jack. Yeah, Jack. I I'm not saying that Heath is not the best. I'm saying that if it's Heath, it's 1A and Jack is 1B. And it and it can alternate depending on when you watch it. Now, wait a minute.
SPEAKER_01:We're sleeping on who's the current guy?
SPEAKER_00:Joaquin Phoenix.
SPEAKER_01:No, that's an off-world thing. Does that not count? We don't it does. It counts. It does age joker, yes. So does Jared Leto. We don't want to let or whatever. We don't want to. He's out. He's out.
SPEAKER_03:Well that that's his problem. That's his fault. Like, you know, like he could he's a good enough actor. He just let it, it just laid flat, to be fair. Yeah, he overshot it. He's had a wrestling thing. It's the writing. The scene with Jared Leto and Common, where he's like, What's up, dog, and all that type of shit? And his mom tried to be a homie with the gold grill and all that shit. Like, get out of here.
SPEAKER_00:Question number two of three. Dream cameo, dream comic cameo for yourself.
SPEAKER_01:Like in which book we'd want to be in.
SPEAKER_00:You can take it as a book or as a movie. I take it as a movie. Movie's more fun.
SPEAKER_01:That we would want to be in. You want to be in? Yeah. That you want to be in. Good questions, huh? I would want to be in.
SPEAKER_05:You would be in the movie. Okay. Avengers.
SPEAKER_01:It would have to be a cameo.
SPEAKER_00:Shit. Avengers. I guess Avengers, you could be one of many that pop up. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, yeah, I guess technically it'd be crazy to be actually in Secret Wars, considering they'd have they're gonna have everybody in Secret Wars, then it'd be like, yo, I'm in there too. Like that'd be crazy. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I think Secret Wars, Secret Wars. Put me in a new multiverse, whatever the with the third multiverse is.
SPEAKER_03:Put me in Doomsday. I'll be in Doom.
SPEAKER_02:Spider Verse. It's some type of character, like a music character, like a DJ, or something. Just put me in there because I know they got the music rocket.
SPEAKER_00:Hey Bun, what if that thing came up in for Doom and it was you?
SPEAKER_03:That's not the movie. That's I will say this. I always thought, to me, I thought that the best payoff in the MCU was the Sam Wilson on your left. On your left. That came back. When the entire army of Thanos was coming at him and out of nowhere, you just hear in Endgame. Sorry, Mickey. Sorry, Mickey. But when he comes up and you hear Kat on your left, and I'm like, shit. Like, I have goosebumps now recalling the moment. Yeah. Circle open up and you're like, Mickey is nothing. Mickey feels nothing. And then you had the women brigade coming.
SPEAKER_02:Mickey's dead inside.
SPEAKER_03:I didn't like the therapy. It's crazy because when I talked to Giggs about it, Giggs left the theater disappointed. Really? He was like, it's a good movie, but I don't know. And then like a month later, he was like, yo, I just watched it again. It's the greatest shit I ever saw in my life. Like I'm sorry. Like, I've I've seen a lot of movies. I've been going to movies a lot. I've seen a lot of great movies. But that that moment, bro.
SPEAKER_01:The way they put that together is crazy.
SPEAKER_03:The way they put that and they came out of, bro, the whole fucking room exploded, bro. Stop. The whole room exploded.
SPEAKER_01:When do have you ever seen 20 something movies in one movie?
SPEAKER_03:Let me ask y'all this. I think this may be a problem. Mickey, let me ask you Does having read having read so many comic books and having such a thorough knowledge of storylines? Do these movies tend to let you down?
SPEAKER_05:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. Now I can't.
SPEAKER_05:Big time.
SPEAKER_01:Can I interject something? That's what we talk about. Can I interject something? As you pointed out, Bun, there's other storylines. And they're trying to all sometimes get other things out. And it's like, why can't you give them that grace just because it's not your storyline? It's not a bad movie. It's just not what the complaints I hear from these guys a lot of times is it's not their storyline. Not that it's always a bad movie, it's because the choices that they made. And it's like, let them make their choices. Some some of the stuff ain't great.
SPEAKER_03:I'm just talking about this with Superman. I just talked about this with the Superman. The Superman movie is not a terrible movie, but because it's not my storyline, I can't connect to certain characters. Like I really didn't, I it was very hard to get past the elemental dude, right? Like it was just he was very off-putting with the with the octopus legs, and that baby was one of the worst things I've ever seen in a CGI movie.
SPEAKER_01:Maybe CGI and babies left.
SPEAKER_03:But because I don't know what this baby becomes, I don't know, right? Like I'm sure there's a significant reason as to why this baby is green and looks like how it looks. Because we God knows looking at the father, I don't know what the mom looks like, so I don't know. So to me, it looked, and then Superman swimming in like a river of crystals and shit. I just it it just it just lost me. It just really lost me. I couldn't get into I kept waiting for Buddy to come back. I mean, I kept waiting for this terrific. Listen, I'm not mad. This is terrific in this terrific in this movie, is me in this movie. Like, man, move, man. Y'all, y'all bullshit. Like, get the fuck out of the way, bro. You play too much. What the dumbest is. Why are you sitting on this spot line, bro? We're supposed to be gone by now, type of shit. It's like he keeps waiting for the whole movie to catch up with him. I agree. The whole audience, everybody to catch up with him.
SPEAKER_05:Endgame is terrible. Listen, crazy truth. Here we go with the therapy again. The first hour was therapy. The second hour was Back to the Future 4. Wow. Hopefully. No get back from Hulk.
SPEAKER_03:Nope. Nope.
SPEAKER_05:It was, it was, it was just sloppy. A rat. A rat is is why Ant-Man got out of the of the quantum realm. A rat. But it's already known.
SPEAKER_03:It's already known that Thanos hates fighting the Hulk.
SPEAKER_05:He hates it. They killed him in the first 10 minutes. In the comic books. What are we doing here, man?
SPEAKER_03:Like he hates fighting the Hulk. That's gonna be weird. That's why I'm kind of glad I haven't read as many comics as y'all, so I can still enjoy some of this shit.
SPEAKER_00:All right. I got my last question. And this is an urgent one for what we're talking about.
SPEAKER_03:I'd be like, I don't give a fuck about no script, man. Just as long as that shit is just fucking make me happy shit. I just don't, I just don't, I don't know what you know. I don't know what you know. So I don't go into the movie with level. I don't go into the movie with expecting levels of discernment. Like to me, they're making great entertainment, right? But I don't have the same entry point as y'all have, right? I don't have a dog in this race like you do. Right, right. You know what I'm saying? If you want to talk about the NWA movie or some shit like that, I can critique that. I got dogs in those races. I know what's real in that and what's not. Like I know where the filler is on that type of shit. I'm telling you. All right, all right, Thomas, what do you got?
SPEAKER_00:Question three and the last question. Oh, good. The storyline that you think should have ended differently. Endgame.
SPEAKER_03:Endgame. Endgame. I mean, that's my answer too. Really. It really, I was gonna say that.
SPEAKER_05:Endgame should have ended differently. So no death of Iron Man? No. He doesn't die. So I don't think okay. So I I cheered when he died, but I only cheered when he died because he was doing down on this shit. He really button, he was doing too much. I I I wanted to see other people do things, bro. I feel that right there. You know what I'm saying? It's like I don't, I don't, I didn't want him to quote unquote die. He was just doing too much, bro. He started, he creating Ultron, he giving Spider-Man a suit, you know, he's he's but he does all of those things.
SPEAKER_03:No, no, no. Mickey, Mickey, Mickey, he created the vision too. If that's the case, if the core, if literally the core founding pillar of the MCU is doing too much, who do you believe is the most single most underutilized person in Marvel's canon? That they just that they just they play. Because I I think it's three I think it's Drax. I think like they I think like they nerfed Drax all the way through this.
SPEAKER_05:I think I honestly listen, I think power wise that he didn't do much. I think it's the Hulk. I think the Hulk is the most underutilized character in the MCU. Well, we don't know why. I agree with you.
SPEAKER_03:But that's all like they don't understand the story and they're not telling it there's a you guys say there's a legal reason. Legal issue. Technically, they're not underutilizing him, they're utilizing him as much as they can. Right? Like they're doing what they can. Right. So, okay, so if I can't use the Hulk. I mean, you can, but uh, we understand why. Like I'm talking about a character, if they're that's in a bunch of movies that gets a lot of screen time, but they're not really fleshing this character out in the way they should.
SPEAKER_05:Okay, for me, uh and you guys gotta hear me out on this. For me, it would be it would be Doctor Strange. Okay, why? I think Cumberland, I think Benedict Cumber Cumberbatch is a fantastic actor. Fantastic. And he looks just like him. I think the first movie, excellent.
SPEAKER_03:I think super dope.
SPEAKER_05:I think he was incredible in Infinity War. Incredible. Fighting Thanos with the with the gem, excellent. I think strange was underutilized in Endgame. He did some foolish dumb things in the Spider-Man movie.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:He was the true he was the second lead character in his sequel movie. That movie was about Scarlet Witch. That was Scarlet Witch. And even before Infinity War, he was great for 10 minutes, Bun, in Thor Ragnarok. He was great for that small time. We should have seen more of him. And also, aside from Doctor Strange, rest in peace, but T'Challa. Black Panther. What is happening, bruh? T'Challa, Black Panther, bruh. Underutilized, really? Yes. I was gonna say Black Panther is the underutilized. It should have recast because I don't want to see Shuri. Like, I like Shuri, but I don't think she should be Black Panther. It should be Black Panther. She was the she becomes Black Panther in the comics. Yes, but that was after 40 years of storytelling.
SPEAKER_01:That was after 40 years. But that's your knowledge. They just throwing some stuff that happened in the comics in the child while they re-prove.
SPEAKER_06:So you really believe.
SPEAKER_03:You really believe somebody could have stepped into Chadwick's shoes. Come on, Mickey. No.
SPEAKER_02:No, but but it looks like Damon, Damon, uh, Damon. Bam. What's the difference? No.
SPEAKER_03:No Paul.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I thought he was gonna step into that. And he will be, but it's still gonna be the storyline that they told because it'll probably become his son. But he'll become T'Challa regardless, and that'll be the Black Panther regardless moving forward. I need a barf.
SPEAKER_05:Regardless of what his history is. He's the closest man. I need a barf. It's just Alba too could play him. Doctor Strange and Black Panther really should have been the leads going into phase four, into phase seven. It was supposed to be those two guys. And Spider-Man. I think they would have taken the MCU to higher heights until we got to X-Men and the Fantastic Four. In my personal opinion, it should have been those two. I hear you.
SPEAKER_03:I can't argue that. I can't argue that. I don't have a lot of things.
SPEAKER_05:I would have to say out of the MCU, hmm.
SPEAKER_03:Went Winter Soldier.
SPEAKER_05:That's actually a good pick.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, winter soldier. I'm not mad at that. Because they they nerfed him in Thunderbirds fully. Yeah. Like gave him the theme music. Yeah, I have to say, I have to say, because I'm thinking about it and I'm just like, I think, I think. Yep. Winter Soldier. Okay.
SPEAKER_02:I'm staying on that. That's a good one. Yeah. That's a great one.
SPEAKER_01:So it's really, all right. So you first asked which ending should have changed. Yes. And then so that question, I think, um, Secret Invasion, because that ended so trash, and that could have been so fucking good, especially with introducing Super Show. I'm not gonna front. I like the first episode. The first no, the show was fire. The show was good last year. The last episode half of it of Samuel Jackson walking around hacking his lung out. It's like, babe, bro, like what are we doing here? And then you introduce Super Scroll and then have somebody beat Super Scroll. And it's like, that's not how this should have went, right? So then there's that, and then most other underutilized. Scrolls are wicked. Well, Super Scroll is super wicked, right? But then they gave him more powers than just the Fantastic Four, but we'll get to that later. Most underutilized character, I think, and and and y'all probably gonna be like, how? But Spider-Man. They have been doing really good Spider-Man movies with the Marvel Sony relationship, right? Because Sony has let Marvel produce the Spider-Man movies, but they still have some oversight. He's not doing the things he could be doing in the MCU, considering how connected he is to everybody in the MCU, and he's definitely being underutilized. Yeah. I'll take that. That's dope.
SPEAKER_03:I love these different perspectives. This is crazy.
SPEAKER_00:All right, Von, you gotta leave us with a big cliffhanger.
SPEAKER_03:Okay. Set it up.
SPEAKER_00:Set it up. What's gonna go? What are we what are we about to roll into in part two of this show? Okay. Let me feed you a little bit. There's a rumor that you've been in a comic before.
SPEAKER_03:Yes. That is true. I've actually been featured in a Marvel comic book variant. Oh does anyone know what that is and what character I'm a variant of?
SPEAKER_00:And with that, we are gonna we are gonna close on part one and we're gonna cross over into another universe. Find us on our love-hate relationship with comic culture for part two. Until then, follow Unglossia on Instagram, drop us a rating, and share it with everyone. This is Unglossian. Until next time, I'm Tom Frank.
SPEAKER_03:I'm Tat Wizard, I'm Jeffrey Slid, I'm Mickey Fags, I'm Pete Rock, and I'm Bun B.
SPEAKER_00:I'm Glossia, it's produced and distributed by Eric Studios.
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